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1楼2013-05-11 16:46回复
    好久前要的授权现在才想起来贴OTL


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      Twiggy Ramirez ; arguably "co-star" in the band to Manson himself, and with whom the grand Triptych of 'Antichrist Svperstar', 'Mechanical Animals' and 'Holy Wood' were co-written with. The following are various visual influences and evocations made by Twiggy since joining the band prior to 1994's 'Portrait of an American Family' and up to his rejoining for the 2008 'Rape of the World' tour.
      Twiggy Ramirez可以说和Manson都是乐队的灵魂人物,他和Manson合作编写了'Antichrist Svperstar', 'Mechanical Animals' and 'Holy Wood'三部曲。下列是他自从他自'Portrait of an American Family'时期加入乐队到'Rape of the World'巡演以来为乐队带来的各种各样可观的影响


      Left ; The Alchemist | Alejandro Jodorowsky in 'The Holy Mountain', one of Manson and the band's admitted favorite, highly influential film. Right ; Twiggy Ramirez on the 2008 'Rape of the World' tour in his "witch's" guise stage outfit, evoking 'The Alchemist' Alejandro Jodorowsky in the film 'The Holy Mountain'
      第二张图:'The Holy Mountain'中的炼金术士Alejandro Jodorowsky。这部电影('The Holy Mountain')是Manson和各成员一致承认最喜欢的,受其影响最大的电影之一。
      第三张图:Twiggy Ramirez在2008年'Rape of the World'巡演中的巫婆装束,这身装扮很容易让我们想起电影'The Holy Mountain' 中的炼金术士Alejandro Jodorowsky。


      Twiggy Ramirez in 1997 during the 'Antichrist Svperstar' era with his, then, signature shaven forehad look
      1997年'Antichrist Svperstar'时期Twiggy Ramirez刮去了前额的头发。



      From left to right ; Alejandro Jodorowsky in the oft-Manson-referenced film 'The Holy Mountain', Charles Manson during a parole hearing in the 1980's and infamous drag queen Divine, in the film 'Pink Flamingos' which was sampled heavily throughout 'Portrait of an American Family'.
      从上到下:Manson多次提及引用过的电影'The Holy Mountain'中的炼金术士Alejandro Jodorowsky、1980年假释听证会中的Charles Manson(美国历史上最疯狂的超级杀人王,Manson的名字就有一半取自他)、电影'Pink Flamingos'中声名狼藉的女小偷女郎。这些元素贯穿了'Portrait of an American Family'这张专辑。
      Three previous demagogues, cited by Manson and the band at various points as inspirations, who were "predecessors" of a shaven forehead aesthetic.
      以上三位是光额头的老前辈,Manson乐队成员各种各样的发型灵感正是来自于他们。

      Marilyn Manson promo photos, 1997 with Twiggy Ramirez and his shaven forehead aesthetic.
      Marilyn Manson乐队1997年的宣传海报,我们可以看到Twiggy Ramirez的光额头


      3楼2013-05-11 16:54
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        The title 'Oedipus' is a reference to a classical Greek tragedy of the same
        name wherein which a king received the prophecy that his son would one day
        murder him to usurp his thrown, taking his Queen (the son's own mother) as his
        wife. The King, to thwart this prophecy, bound his son's legs and left him
        destitute to be devoured by wolves in the woods. The Gods, not to be
        circumvented, intervened to set young Oedipus free where his hostile upbringing
        after abandonment nurtured him into a powerful and conquering warrior where he
        would in fact later usurp his father's throne, marrying his mother. Having been
        abandoned with his former life as a young child being completely amnesiatic to
        his adult self, he went to bed with his mother as a spoil of conquer completely
        unbeknownest to his actual relation to her. The later realization of this
        yielded one of the most harrowing and cathartic elements of dramatic history
        where Oedipus gouges out his own eyes crying to the God's that he is no longer
        able to see joy, while his mother / wife commits suicide.
        'The Oedipus Complex' ; In the early 20th Century, Sigmund Freud, in his
        decryption of the human condition being rooted in various subconscious sexual
        repressions, theorized that after the male matures it is the maternal influence
        which shapes his conception and preferences of sexuality. That being, the
        characteristics the male will seek out in a sexual partner will embody those
        similar to his mother, be it physical appearance, personality traits or the ways
        by which his mother (did or did not) nurture him. A common example is a male who
        is spanked by his mother as a child for disciplinary purposes may later develop
        a fetish of Sado-Masochism where he will request his female sexual partner to
        spank, beat or humiliate him in the subconscious desire to revert back into his
        childlike formulative state by requiring his partner to treat him as his mother
        did. Thus simultaneously fetishizing his mother by envisioning his sexual
        partner to be an extension of her and dually hating her for inflicting abuse on
        him as a child which may also lead to a misogynistic disposition later in
        life.
        As most of the English language and etymology is rooted within Classic Greek
        and Latin terminology, Freud later termed this predisposition 'The Oedipus
        Complex'. The history of The Oedipus Complex, both Freudian and the Classical
        Greek literature is far too voluminous to delve into for purposes here, the
        synopsis above categorizes the psychological complex in a very abridged
        state.
        以上说的是'Oedipus'的故事及他的lianmu情结 ,未翻译,各位自己搜相关资料吧
        While a lengthy discourse for the simple title of a painting, Manson's choice
        of title apparently alludes to Twiggy's potential sexual predilections and where
        he developed them. The following is a quote by Twiggy from 1997:
        这么一段冗长的取名过程(指上面提到的肖像画),Manson的选择显然是暗指Twiggy Ramirez有着像'Oedipus'一样的lianmu情结,下面是Twiggy Ramirez在1997年说的一段话:
        I want to continue to break the barrier between male and female,"
        said Ramirez, whose drab dresses, dreadlocked hair and motley makeup make the
        strongest physical statement in the band. "I think I got my first erection when
        I tried on my mother's underpants growing up. It's just a side of me that I feel
        comfortable with as well. I'm obviously not a hermaphrodite, though people seem
        to think so. There's an area between the two of those, you don't have to be
        heterosexual, bisexual, or gay, it's just sort of
        everything.'Twiggy: America's Androgynous Superstar'
        by Paul Gargano. Published by Movie Mirror in a Marilyn Manson exclusive special
        issue. 1997.
        “我想继续打破男xing和女xing之间的界限”,Ramirez说(浅褐色的连衣裙、有发辫的长发,混杂的妆,这就是乐队的中坚力量),“我想那时我穿着母亲的内ku时,我成长过程中第一次bo起了。这仅仅是我感到舒服的一部分。很显然,我不是yinyang人,但很多人是这么认为的。我目前的状态既不是yi性恋,也不是tong性恋,也不是yingyang人。”


        5楼2013-05-11 17:04
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          The same article additionally reveals that Twiggy's mother was a traveling
          groupie herself.
          The excitement of the music industry is nothing new to Twiggy, who
          grew up entrenched in the music industry. "I was born of the road, I'm not
          exactly sure where because my mom used to dance onstage for Mountain, Leslie
          West's band. She used to dance for the Kinks as well," he said, implying that
          his father might be either the guitar legend West, or the Kinks' Ray Davies.
          "When I was growing up I was around music constantly. My aunt, who I was living
          with, was a groupie as well, and she was friends with the Ramones, they would
          come over and she used to date one of the Bee
          Gees."'Twiggy: America's Androgynous Superstar' by
          Paul Gargano.
          While any virile and living human being should undoubtedly have lust reserved
          for the opposite sex ready, willing and enthusiastic to offer themselves in the
          throes of passion, Manson's watercolor portrait may reveal a possible
          psychological predisposition of Twiggy's desire of being a rockstar by
          profession. That with Twiggy onstage there are legions of nubile girls who will
          throw themselves at him, just as he witnessed / heard of his mother doing to the
          rockstar icons of his childhood.
          原文还有一段,不过残念亲木有翻译,,,有可能是后加的?


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                IP属地:内蒙古9楼2013-05-19 21:17
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                  好棒!


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